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Nate D Trinity Trading Corp	Posted - 2008.10.15 03:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Nate D on 15/10/2008 03:10:59 I think was CCP is seeing is a drop in subscriptions. Period. I don't believe that a change to a system that's been in the game for such a long time will have a positive effect. While I know of people who use this method of training... I know many more who pay monthly fees just to come online and switch skills. I think that there is a balance here. This will cause a negative float in subscriptions. Icelandic banks anyone?
Nate D Trinity Trading Corp	Posted - 2008.10.15 03:43:00 - [2] As my own opinion... I do get tired of playing EVE on occasion and leave. When I come back, I am excited to be greeted by a brand new level 5 skill. It's a reward for rejoining the game! Not any more :-(
Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.15 07:50:00 - [3] I would be very surprised it CCP went through with this today. I would be taken aback by the lack of interest in customer input.
Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.15 19:07:00 - [4] BAD CCP Put it BACK!
Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.16 04:38:00 - [5] Punish noobs NOT Geezers!
Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Rethie When reading up before subscription, considering all my cost of living etc, the thing that eventually made me sub was inactive training, for the fact of real life commitments, at least if I could not sub, I could come back and with some pre planning, have advanced a level on something. As a parent of someone who has their majority (which I lose sleep at night about!) I can only say that I'm glad CCP has encouraged you to be more insightful about what luxuries you spend your meager income on. After all, you should be discouraged from making bad fiscal choices that overextend you or your available time. Bully for you mate, welcome to the adult club. Wow Shar... don't be so shallow. I manage my income too and sometimes find it difficult to justify paying for EVE. I also enjoy coming back to a new lvl 5 skill after taking a break. Going on 5 years of subscribing to EVE I've only taken advantage of this once but for CCP to remove this feature is ridiculous. They will lose more than they'll gain.
Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.16 14:56:00 - [7] It comes down to the economic ideas of consumer surplus and product value. CCP is hedging their bets to see if subscribers will continue to have the same amount of consumer surplus when the price of maintaining their accounts rises exponentially. Though it's proven that when price rises (without significant product advancement), value decreases along with consumer surplus. It's easy to see that CCP has made no significant advancements to the management of multiple accounts or the way skills are trained to add value for the consumer. Thus CCP ends up with less revenue. They don't call economics the dismal science for nothing but I'd really like to hear what CCP's own Dr.EyjoG thinks of the possible outcomes of this move. Call it what you will, "you must pay for service" or whatever. But we're really talking about revenue dollars for CCP. I think that they're playing the wrong hand here. They will make more revenue the other way.
Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Ramblin Man Thread tl;dr Second Account Considering the training times on 'heavy' skills and the frequent (and fairly arbitrary) rebalances, there goes my second account (so that's $0/month, instead of the 'gaming-the-system' money from it I was planning on paying). Primary Account Considering the bullshit official line on this (which afaik has been "It's a feature!" -> "We're thinking of removing it." -> "We aren't removing it, because we know you use it.") has changed to the ludicrious "We're removing it, because we didn't know you used it!", that's a pretty hefty hit on my motivation for a primary account. <snip> This is a great example of wasted consumer surplus due to an exponential increase in price and decreased game value. CCP has made a bad revenue decision here.
Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.16 15:55:00 - [9] Come on CCP... Call this off already and apologize! Then we can work towards the goal of disabling this, TOGETHER, as a community. It will require change to the game, the way skills and multiple accounts are handled.
Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.17 09:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Crayathan Edited by: Crayathan on 17/10/2008 09:11:19 Originally by: Cutesmile See it. Here is the fast money CCP smart guys. Falling population on server. They lost over +7k subscriber under two day. Bravo and lot of alt training not ended yet, more lost coming. http://glacier.coldfront.net/eve/images/tranquility-week.png Your logic is flawed, as it went up for the 2 days before, so it could be natural up's and downs. Better to use a long term graph http://glacier.coldfront.net/eve/images/tranquility-month.png There's a problem with Cold Front's status tracker. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility shows no significant change in population.

Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.17 10:06:00 - [11] Edited by: Nate D on 17/10/2008 10:13:38 Originally by: Cutesmile <snip> Originally by: BIind What are you talking about? Name one MMO that deletes characters after a period of inactivity. <snip> Final Fantasy XI delete characters after 3 months of inactivity <snip> For the record. Final Fantasy XI is one of the WORST MANAGED games in the industry.
Nate D Hell's Rejects	Posted - 2008.10.17 10:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Cutesmile Originally by: Nate D Originally by: Cutesmile <snip> Originally by: BIind What are you talking about? Name one MMO that deletes characters after a period of inactivity. <snip> Final Fantasy XI delete characters after 3 months of inactivity <snip> For the record. Final Fantasy XI is one of the worst MANAGED games in the industry. Where is your point ? You said no MMO where deleting character. YOU WRONG. And now what happen ? Your answer .....That's MMO worts thing blabla. And why you delete the Lord of the rings online ? LOTRO worst MMO ? Or not MMO for you because there is delete inactive accounts ? You stop the rambling if you do not have truth Whoa there... read more carefully next time. I was not the OP of that rant. I was just adding my two isk...

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